tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post6092299788812448507..comments2024-03-28T00:36:13.790-07:00Comments on Volatile and Decentralized: Going Green with Electronic ProceedingsMatt Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04255792550910131960noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-26583561880538695782009-07-30T02:32:01.162-07:002009-07-30T02:32:01.162-07:00Printed proceedings drive better interactions duri...Printed proceedings drive better interactions during the Q&A, at least for me. I usually flip through papers in parallel with a talk to dig deeper or better understand some point or another before asking a silly question about this, that, or the other thing. I recently attended a conference where the proceedings were given out in CD-ROM format, which totally didn't work for me since my laptop doesn't have a CD-ROM drive. I was able to get the proceedings on a USB flash drive, which was great until my battery ran out (only a few outlets were visible in the entire room and I didn't get one of the coveted seats near one). The other thing I noticed was that one my laptop was open and I was reading papers, it didn't take long for me to start to surf, check e-mail, or otherwise get distracted. So, I think printed proceedings are great.Prabal Duttahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00975098265026146680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-35105226101877890512009-07-18T11:06:18.550-07:002009-07-18T11:06:18.550-07:00SIGMOD, which is a big ACM conference, has been el...SIGMOD, which is a big ACM conference, has been electronic only for at least two years now. At the very least, I've attended it the past two years and don't recall even having the option to get printed proceedings. You may wish to contact them to find out how to negotiate the ACM details.Evan Joneshttp://evanjones.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-5611327325404408622009-07-15T13:08:31.416-07:002009-07-15T13:08:31.416-07:00We have looked at the ebook and DIY publishing com...We have looked at the ebook and DIY publishing companies, but decided not to go this route for now since it seems to be a lot of overhead to get it published that way. Do you have a suggestion for one?Matt Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04255792550910131960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-61037219033366572512009-07-13T19:50:55.522-07:002009-07-13T19:50:55.522-07:00Perhaps you could partner with some eBook reader m...Perhaps you could partner with some eBook reader maker and subsidize the purchase of said readers for conference attendees who wish it.Emil Sithttp://emilsit.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-1961579786472272572009-07-13T19:14:13.902-07:002009-07-13T19:14:13.902-07:00as far as distribution at the conference, i'd ...as far as distribution at the conference, i'd go with USB sticks rather than CD ROMs.maria kazandjievanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-22389557743361597542009-07-13T11:15:30.018-07:002009-07-13T11:15:30.018-07:00I am not sure if ACM provides any assistance with ...I am not sure if ACM provides any assistance with this, but it is important that the online proceedings have their own ISBN number. At least here in Germany, the univesity administration insists on proceeding ISBN for the paper to be counted in the dissemination metrics.Vlado Handziskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-67755505298205682432009-07-13T09:55:31.208-07:002009-07-13T09:55:31.208-07:00A local university press would certainly be happy ...A local university press would certainly be happy to produce printed books for those who are interested in buying a copy. You can get a "real" paperback book and it doesn't have to cost that much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-65534427949174648182009-07-13T09:38:54.290-07:002009-07-13T09:38:54.290-07:00I'm a dinosaur. When I sit down with a studen...I'm a dinosaur. When I sit down with a student, there's nothing better than being able to pull relevant conference papers off my bookshelves in seconds. So I like printed proceedings.<br /><br />I also like the serendipity of having 30 articles bound in one volume. Nobody, but nobody, is going to print out all the articles from a proceedings. Printers aren't good enough; Kinko's isn't good enough. I hope will will still see printed proceedings just as we still see printed books.<br /><br />On the other hand, dealing with Sheridan is hell. I feel your pain.Norman Ramseyhttp://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~nr/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-34865585281929166822009-07-13T09:11:51.504-07:002009-07-13T09:11:51.504-07:00I think the movement to online-based materials is ...I think the movement to online-based materials is good overall. I think the main issue with a publication is that it needs to be accessible for people to read and cite. In my opinion, if your work is buried in a conference proceeding that is only available in print, it is less likely to get cited than if it is available electronically. Anyone who teaches these days discovers that reference material not available online does not exist to their students. (That’s a whole other issue entirely!)<br /><br />For many years now, the large Lunar and Planetary Science Conference has published a program with 1-sentence talk/poster descriptions, supplied conference goers with a CD-ROM, and archived the abstracts online. (They are available both through the Lunar and Planetary Institute and the Harvard/SAO/NASA Astrophysical Data System). With literally thousands of 2-page abstracts each year, it became a real problem to print a hard, multi-volume abstract tome (literally 6+ inches!). Now, it is easy to find and link to abstracts, and meanwhile, many of the old abstracts have been scanned and added to ADS! (Actually, there are a lot of older full journal articles too that have been released and are available freely on ADS. ADS is fantastic!!)<br /><br />LPSC no longer publishes proceedings of the yearly conference. The work presented at the conference is published either through normal journal articles or special issues arranged by conference or theme organizers.<br /><br />I have to honestly say that I hardly ever use the LPSC CD-ROMs, but I can see that it would be useful for colleagues (particularly foreign ones) that have tenuous internet access. Before I had easy internet access at home, I did use the CD-ROMs.<br /><br />I think that there is some stigma associated with "electronic only" full publications if they come from journals that have different electronic and paper editions. There seems to be an implication that the work was not "good enough" to appear in print on paper. If a journal or proceedings is wholly electronic, then I'd think there'd be no stigma attached. At least for the various longer conference abstracts that I have published, their electronic nature is not a bad thing. In fact, it ensures that I can easily link to my work from my own online reference list, thus ensuring that interested parties can easily access, read, and hopefully cite my work.Carolyn vdBhttp://www.uni-muenster.de/Planetology/en/people/carolyn_van_der_bogert/carolyn_van_der_bogert.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186457242428335144.post-976034912407443692009-07-13T09:05:28.910-07:002009-07-13T09:05:28.910-07:00I think the most important thing is that authors r...I think the most important thing is that authors retain copyrights and papers are freely available for download. Everything else (amount of work, scheduling, costs, whether there is any kind of printed book) is secondary.<br /><br />It is an excellent thing if SenSys follows the example of STACS and other conferences which have switched to open access publishing. I'm interested to hear more about your experience regarding ACM's reactions; it would be nice to have a test case of a major ACM conference that switches to open access publishing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com